Comments on: TVO Battle Blog: Losing Faith http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/ Candidate for city councillor, Ward 27, Toronto Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:54:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Chris Tindal » Bad news http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-51284 Chris Tindal » Bad news Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:49:36 +0000 http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/#comment-51284 [...] has not been lower in living memory. Politicians fuel their campaigns entirety on spin, void of substance, never fearing that anyone will call them on it. Once elected, even Parliamentarians in the highest [...] [...] has not been lower in living memory. Politicians fuel their campaigns entirety on spin, void of substance, never fearing that anyone will call them on it. Once elected, even Parliamentarians in the highest [...]

]]> By: Ron M http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-4301 Ron M Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:36:28 +0000 http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/#comment-4301 "The Ontario Greens adopted the “one school system” policy long before Tory made it an election issue" Were the Greens going to make this an election issue? Tory did. He shouldn't have. The election outcome is an embarrassment and the OSSN can take some credit. You may want to check into how close the Greens worked with the OSSN. Did organizers work for both the GPO and OSSN? Did they co-host events? “the right thing to do on the basis of equality” There were other options to ensure equality. The Green-OSSN option is the least doable. Something about a constitutional amendment. What do the Catholics think? Should it matter? Sell it as “equality”, “fairness”, “inclusiveness”, “secularism” or “cost effectiveness” but looking at the OSSN members and supporters and their mission and actions, something else becomes apparent. “Go to www.onessn.com and find out what some people are doing to minimize the zealots. And tell everyone you can so the word gets around.” POSTED BY: Bryan Kerman http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:eQbHjPein0QJ:lfpress.com/cgi-bin/publish.cgi%3Fx%3Dletters%26p%3D10323%26s%3Dletters+%22Bryan+Kerman%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=60&gl=ca&client=firefox-a Which zealots are we talking- the secularists or religionists? Why would the GPO pick sides in a debate where people of different faiths accuse each other of intolerance? Sure debate the origins of the universe at Starbucks-do you drag it into an election to suit some factions agenda? You want to take on inequality; there are more pressing causes to focus on. But I didn’t hear much of anything else during the election. Take the GPO wherever you want left, right, center. Just be upfront and let voters know what is behind the policy so they can make an informed choice. “The Ontario Greens adopted the “one school system” policy long before Tory made it an election issue”

Were the Greens going to make this an election issue? Tory did. He shouldn’t have. The election outcome is an embarrassment and the OSSN can take some credit. You may want to check into how close the Greens worked with the OSSN.
Did organizers work for both the GPO and OSSN?
Did they co-host events?

“the right thing to do on the basis of equality”

There were other options to ensure equality.
The Green-OSSN option is the least doable. Something about a constitutional amendment. What do the Catholics think? Should it matter?

Sell it as “equality”, “fairness”, “inclusiveness”, “secularism” or “cost effectiveness” but looking at the OSSN members and supporters and their mission and actions, something else becomes apparent.

“Go to http://www.onessn.com and find out what some people are doing to minimize the zealots. And tell everyone you can so the word gets around.” POSTED BY: Bryan Kerman

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:eQbHjPein0QJ:lfpress.com/cgi-bin/publish.cgi%3Fx%3Dletters%26p%3D10323%26s%3Dletters+%22Bryan+Kerman%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=60&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

Which zealots are we talking- the secularists or religionists? Why would the GPO pick sides in a debate where people of different faiths accuse each other of intolerance? Sure debate the origins of the universe at Starbucks-do you drag it into an election to suit some factions agenda?

You want to take on inequality; there are more pressing causes to focus on. But I didn’t hear much of anything else during the election.

Take the GPO wherever you want left, right, center. Just be upfront and let voters know what is behind the policy so they can make an informed choice.

]]> By: Chris Tindal http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-4292 Chris Tindal Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:42:51 +0000 http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/#comment-4292 Ron, the Ontario Greens adopted the "one school system" policy long before Tory made it an election issue. We did so using a grassroots member-driven process, and because it was the right thing to do on the basis of equality. The OSSN and the GPO both happen to agree (in general terms) on this one policy issue, but neither organization "supports" the other, and I'm not personally aware of any membership overlap. The page you link to is full of too much fiction to respond to. Ron, the Ontario Greens adopted the “one school system” policy long before Tory made it an election issue. We did so using a grassroots member-driven process, and because it was the right thing to do on the basis of equality. The OSSN and the GPO both happen to agree (in general terms) on this one policy issue, but neither organization “supports” the other, and I’m not personally aware of any membership overlap.

The page you link to is full of too much fiction to respond to.

]]> By: Ron M http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-4290 Ron M Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:10:44 +0000 http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/#comment-4290 "Actually, I’m not sure whose driving the distraction." i'm delirious laughing ....not only did this distract from real election issues ...it distracted from MMP. Does Frank know? He should. The OSSN supports the Greens. The Greens support the OSSN" who are the OSSN members, supporters? what's their agenda ? check out the campaign. http://engagedspectator.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/damn-it-the-greens-are-not-a-left-wing-party/#comment-2050 “Actually, I’m not sure whose driving the distraction.”

i’m delirious laughing ….not only did this distract from real election issues …it distracted from MMP.

Does Frank know? He should.

The OSSN supports the Greens. The Greens support the OSSN”

who are the OSSN members, supporters?

what’s their agenda ?

check out the campaign.

http://engagedspectator.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/damn-it-the-greens-are-not-a-left-wing-party/#comment-2050

]]> By: Bruce Hearns http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-3906 Bruce Hearns Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:05:21 +0000 http://www.christindal.ca/2007/10/02/tvo-battle-blog-losing-faith/#comment-3906 Actually, I'm not sure whose driving the distraction. I've been asked by someone in the audience at every single candidates meeting. This is an emotional hot-button topic that merely distracts from all serious discussions that need to take place. Most people are focussed narrowly on their own problems, almost to the exclusion of all else. The majority don't even care about planning ahead or looking around at bigger issues. Of course the press doesn't help, since their key focus is on "controversy" because that's exciting. It's a bit... discouraging. Actually, I’m not sure whose driving the distraction. I’ve been asked by someone in the audience at every single candidates meeting.
This is an emotional hot-button topic that merely distracts from all serious discussions that need to take place.
Most people are focussed narrowly on their own problems, almost to the exclusion of all else. The majority don’t even care about planning ahead or looking around at bigger issues. Of course the press doesn’t help, since their key focus is on “controversy” because that’s exciting.
It’s a bit… discouraging.

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