Comments on: My Canada Includes The Laws Of Thermodynamics http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/ Shooting my mouth off since 2006 Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:05:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Doug Plumb http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-14452 Doug Plumb Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:29:40 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-14452 Chris, Considering thermodynamics, one of the great educators I had the priviledge of listening to was my engineering professor Declan Barry. To me a good educator gets you to think, a great one gets you to think outside the box about what may be wrong with what you are supposed to be learning. (he didn't teach spelling) Here is a simple engineering paradox: Note: A capacitor stores electric charge and consists of two closely spaced plates. If you put a voltage across a capacitor, positive and negative charges attract but can't get through the separating insulator, thus the charge is held when the voltage is removed. An ideal capacitor has no resistance or inductance and therefore doesn't dissipate energy. "Laden jars" were the early capacitors. Take an IDEAL capacitor and charge it to a fixed voltage. Let the voltage be 1 volt and the capacitance of the capacitor 1 Farad. The energy stored = 1/2*C*V^2 = 1/2 joule. (^2 ->squared) charge = C*V = 1 coulomb If we connect a second IDEAL capacitor to this capacitor, by the second law of thermo, half the charge will go to the second capacitor to even out the charges. By conservation of charge, each capacitor has 1/2 coulomb, and voltage is determined as Q=CV, from which, V=Q/C = 1/2 volt the energy in each capacitor is 1/2* C*V^2 which is: 1/2*1 Farad*(1/2)^2= 1/8 joule, both capacitors added togather have a total energy storage of 1/4 joule. But we started with 1/2 joule. What happened to the other quarter joule ? Either the laws of thermo are wrong or the laws of electricity and magnetism are wrong. Its likely that the laws of E & M are incomplete in my establishment education- but something is wrong with this basic science. A possible solution is at: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0312/0312031v1.pdf. This guy misses the point of the question and introduces a parasitic affect (inductance) to explain the missing energy here You can assume zero inductance. There are two flaws in this explanation provided in the PDF. Show this baby to a friend in physics or engineering. The moral of the story: Nothing deserves to be worshipped until it can be shown to be perfect. Establishment science even at the basic level isn't perfect- its likely just incomplete. Chris,

Considering thermodynamics, one of the great educators I had the priviledge of listening to was my engineering professor Declan Barry. To me a good educator gets you to think, a great one gets you to think outside the box about what may be wrong with what you are supposed to be learning. (he didn’t teach spelling)

Here is a simple engineering paradox:

Note: A capacitor stores electric charge and consists of two closely spaced plates. If you put a voltage across a capacitor, positive and negative charges attract but can’t get through the separating insulator, thus the charge is held when the voltage is removed. An ideal capacitor has no resistance or inductance and therefore doesn’t dissipate energy. “Laden jars” were the early capacitors.

Take an IDEAL capacitor and charge it to a fixed voltage. Let the voltage be 1 volt and the capacitance of the capacitor 1 Farad.

The energy stored = 1/2*C*V^2 = 1/2 joule. (^2 ->squared)
charge = C*V = 1 coulomb

If we connect a second IDEAL capacitor to this capacitor, by the second law of thermo, half the charge will go to the second capacitor to even out the charges.

By conservation of charge, each capacitor has 1/2 coulomb, and voltage is determined as

Q=CV, from which, V=Q/C = 1/2 volt

the energy in each capacitor is 1/2* C*V^2 which is:

1/2*1 Farad*(1/2)^2= 1/8 joule, both capacitors added togather have a total energy storage of 1/4 joule.

But we started with 1/2 joule. What happened to the other quarter joule ?

Either the laws of thermo are wrong or the laws of electricity and magnetism are wrong. Its likely that the laws of E & M are incomplete in my establishment education- but something is wrong with this basic science.

A possible solution is at: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0312/0312031v1.pdf. This guy misses the point of the question and introduces a parasitic affect (inductance) to explain the missing energy here You can assume zero inductance. There are two flaws in this explanation provided in the PDF.

Show this baby to a friend in physics or engineering.

The moral of the story: Nothing deserves to be worshipped until it can be shown to be perfect. Establishment science even at the basic level isn’t perfect- its likely just incomplete.

]]> By: Chris Tindal » Power To Choose http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-1648 Chris Tindal » Power To Choose Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:29:01 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-1648 [...] Below (and here) is a video of comments I made a few weeks back at an event called “Power To Choose,” sponsored by the WWF, Greenpeace, the Ontario Clean Air Alliance, Sierra Club of Canada, and the Pembina Institute. I’m honoured to have been one of the five initial presentations chosen for the web, along with people like NDP MPP Peter Tabuns and Gord Miller. Regular readers may notice similarities to two previous posts, The Triple E Crisis, Plus and My Canada Includes The Laws of Thermodynamics. [...] [...] Below (and here) is a video of comments I made a few weeks back at an event called “Power To Choose,” sponsored by the WWF, Greenpeace, the Ontario Clean Air Alliance, Sierra Club of Canada, and the Pembina Institute. I’m honoured to have been one of the five initial presentations chosen for the web, along with people like NDP MPP Peter Tabuns and Gord Miller. Regular readers may notice similarities to two previous posts, The Triple E Crisis, Plus and My Canada Includes The Laws of Thermodynamics. [...]

]]> By: (nitch) » Blog Archive » No Name Cola and the realities of niche politics http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-333 (nitch) » Blog Archive » No Name Cola and the realities of niche politics Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:53:50 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-333 [...] The reason I mention Chris is that I was recently reading said blog and came across a post that I quite liked where he made a valid environmental and political statement while simultaneously making a wonderfully obscure reference to the Simpsons. This is not something that you would find on the website to his noteworthy Liberal competitor, Bob Rae. This is not something that the average voter would recognize or respond to. This is, however, a perfect example of niche politics, and the way that Chris - and presumably many other fringe party candidates with whom I am not acquainte - runs his campaign. [...] [...] The reason I mention Chris is that I was recently reading said blog and came across a post that I quite liked where he made a valid environmental and political statement while simultaneously making a wonderfully obscure reference to the Simpsons. This is not something that you would find on the website to his noteworthy Liberal competitor, Bob Rae. This is not something that the average voter would recognize or respond to. This is, however, a perfect example of niche politics, and the way that Chris – and presumably many other fringe party candidates with whom I am not acquainte – runs his campaign. [...]

]]> By: (nitch) » Can niche politics ever succeed? (The Ballad of Chris Tindal) http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-334 (nitch) » Can niche politics ever succeed? (The Ballad of Chris Tindal) Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:16:33 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-334 [...] The reason I mention Chris is that I was recently reading said blog and came across a post that I quite liked where he made a valid environmental statement while simultaneously making a wonderfully obscure reference to the Simpsons.  This, to me, is a perfect example of niche politics, and the way that Chris - and presumably many other fringe party candidates with whom I am not acquainte - runs his campaign. [...] [...] The reason I mention Chris is that I was recently reading said blog and came across a post that I quite liked where he made a valid environmental statement while simultaneously making a wonderfully obscure reference to the Simpsons.  This, to me, is a perfect example of niche politics, and the way that Chris – and presumably many other fringe party candidates with whom I am not acquainte – runs his campaign. [...]

]]> By: Claire Salloum http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-332 Claire Salloum Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:37:03 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-332 Um, is it weird that I kind of enjoyed riding the speculativebubble rollercoaster?... WEEEEEE! Um, is it weird that I kind of enjoyed riding the speculativebubble rollercoaster?… WEEEEEE!

]]> By: Colin Carmichael http://www.christindal.ca/2007/04/06/my-canada-includes-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/comment-page-1/#comment-331 Colin Carmichael Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:43:00 +0000 http://www.christindal.dreamhosters.com/?p=165#comment-331 I'll take those brownie points... but you'll have to settle for an MPP - and you'll have wait until at least November... ;) (btw, good to meet you on Tuesday) I’ll take those brownie points… but you’ll have to settle for an MPP – and you’ll have wait until at least November… ;)

(btw, good to meet you on Tuesday)

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